Police, lawyers fight inside Chennai High Court


Police and Lawyers throwing  stones  each other INSIDE the CHENNAI HIGH COURT…. 😦

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01Are these PEOPLE going to bring the JUSTICE and PEACE to the land ?

Did they ever heard about MAHATMA GANDHI ?

Those who daily speaking about RULES AND SECTIONS, VIOLATING them..

Is this state is going in right position ?

This makes everyone sad. All the vehicle are broken and damaged. They are fighting like ROUGES. Being LAWYERS and POLICEMEN they  need to obey the rules in high manner, but they didn’t…

This need to be stopped. Everyone  need to be arrested and they should be punished for this.

But now, there is a COMITY generated by the lawyers and from that only they are going to report about that action, so it will be BLOWN AWAY within few days…

CHENNAI: In unprecedented violence on the Madras High Court premises, advocates protesting against the arrest of their colleagues in an assault case fought pitched battles with police personnel for several hours on Thursday. While a police station was set ablaze by the advocates, vehicles parked in the court complex were smashed by the policemen. Among those injured in the violence was a High Court judge, more than 50 lawyers and several policemen.

Police burst teargas shells to disperse the agitating lawyers. High Court judges who came to the premises to see the damage caused to advocates’ vehicles had to run when they were confronted by lathi-wielding policemen. Fire fighters who tried to put out the flames engulfing the police station were attacked by the advocates.

The chain of events was set off by the police attempt to arrest a group of advocates involved in the attack on Janata Party president Subramanian Swamy and some policemen in the court complex on Tuesday. A group of advocates demanded that Dr. Swamy be also arrested for abusing one of their colleagues on caste lines.

Heated arguments ended in violence. A group of lawyers, which was near the building housing the Family Courts, and the policemen, positioned near the High Court station, began throwing stones and bottles at each other. The policemen came out with their protective shields and began chasing away the lawyers. Several advocates, office staff and litigants ran helter-skelter, with the policemen in pursuit. The injured advocates were carried by their colleagues to a dispensary for first aid. Later, ambulances were called in to take the injured to hospital.

Even as a group of advocates kept raising slogans against the policemen, several advocates went to the chamber of the Acting Chief Justice, S.J. Mukhopadhaya, protesting against the “police excesses.” Mr. Justice Mukhopadhaya tried to pacify the advocates, but they asked him to come down and see for himself the damage caused to their vehicles, allegedly by policemen.

The judges then appealed to the advocates to maintain calm so that a solution could be found. Later, when a few judges went towards the policemen, with the slogan-raising advocates following them, the policemen resorted to lathi charge. In this melee, Justice Arumuga Perumal Adityan, was hit by a stone and he suffered a head injury. He was rushed to hospital where his condition was stated to be stable.

With reinforcements, including commandos of elite units, arriving, the police chased away all lawyers from the court premises. Following this, trouble spilled over to NSC Bose Road. A mention was made by advocate R.Vaigai before Mr. Justice Mukhopadhaya about the incident.

via hindu

Police station in fire

POLICE STATION IN FIRE

How come they forget their LAWS and  SECTIONS which they studied in their LAW COLLEGE..

These are my opinion…

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THINK ABOUT IT

G0utham

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77 Comments on “Police, lawyers fight inside Chennai High Court”

  1. this one rongway in advocate

  2. g0utham says:

    Yup.. Yup…

  3. Priyaravi says:

    Hi,

    Your view are not 100% correct. The true pictures have not been published by either the paper media nor by the TV media.

    Everyone is biased. the common people who were the real victims saw how the police behaved inside the highcourt. Please do not blame only the advocates.

    As per the law, the police/army is not suppose to enter into the court premises when the cases is being heard by the judges. But our great policemen had entered inside the court hall and had hit the public as well as the lawyers who doesn’t even for what they were hit.

    There were nearly 200 policemen with all equipments even before the incidents. Which means are they aware of such a major riot?

    There was a photo published in one of the local paper wherein both police and one advocate crashing the window of a car. Is it not contradictory? how can police and advocate together can do this?

    So do we mean to say the hitting the bikes of innocent public and also the cars of advocate by the police is justified.

    Please think on all these aspects and do not be biased though both sides are at fault

    thanks
    Priya

  4. We advocates have been brutally beaten up by the police. It is a preplanned act by them. I condemn about your statement that we behave like rouges. There were nearly more than 1000 cops fully equipped surrounding the advocates. Most of the advocates were inside the court and initially felt that a terrorist attack is being taking place in the court premises and we were shocked when we came to know that they were all police force. The police force had also brought a van full of stones inside the court premises. The police force was chasing the advocates and only to protect themselves few of the advocates threw stones upon them. And any common man would have acted in that manner to safeguard their life. Moreover we doubt that the police station itself might had been set fire by the cops themselves. They were nerely more than 1000 police cops standing around the police station and it is not possible for an advocate to set fire on the police station. All advocates were running around to save their life. Mahatma Gandhi if he had been alive would surely had supported us because presently it is only the advocates who fight for the welfare of the common public and address their grievances through boycotts and strikes. But we are named as rouges and violators of rules. When we were attacked the public nor the press had supported us although we had supported them when they underwent crisis. We don’t require your support but at least don’t criticize us.

  5. kavitha Y says:

    I condemn about your statement that we behave like rouges. There were nearly more than 1000 cops fully equipped surrounding the advocates. Most of the advocates were inside the court and initially felt that a terrorist attack is being taking place in the court premises and we were shocked when we came to know that they were all police force. The police force had also brought a van full of stones inside the court premises. The police force was chasing the advocates and only to protect themselves few of the advocates threw stones upon them. And any common man would have acted in that manner to safeguard their life. Moreover we doubt that the police station itself might had been set fire by the cops themselves. They were nerely more than 1000 police cops standing around the police station and it is not possible for an advocate to set fire on the police station. All advocates were running around to save their life. Mahatma Gandhi if he had been alive would surely had supported us because presently it is only the advocates who fight for the welfare of the common public and address their grievances through boycotts and strikes. But we are named as rouges and violators of rules. When we were attacked the public nor the press had supported us although we had supported them when they underwent crisis. We don’t require your support but at least don’t criticize us.

  6. g0utham says:

    I have changed this in my blog…

    “Being LAWYERS and POLICEMEN, they need to obey the rules in high manner”…

    BUT Do you think all the media channels are supporting police people ?

  7. vskesavan says:

    This is what happened in the HC on 19-2-09.

    There is a total breakdown of the Constitutional machinery in the State of Tamilnadu and the administration of justice has come to a grinding halt.

    We submit this memorandum to you with deep anguish, pain and shock at the brutal attack by the State Police on judges, advocates, staff, litigants and the general public within the precincts of the High Court, Madras and the neighbourhood, on 19.02.09. We seek your urgent intervention to restore the majesty and the rule of law and the public confidence in the administration of justice in the State of Tamil Nadu.

    The police violence on the afternoon of the 19.02.09 within the precincts of the Chartered High Court of Madras have left the judiciary in Tamilnadu in shambles. The State Government has not come forward to hold itself accountable.

    The following sequence of events clearly show that the violence had nothing to do with the lawyer’s boycott, who resumed work on 19.02.09 and that the police carried out a premeditated and well planned attack on the judiciary which lasted unabated for nearly 4 hours from 3.30. p.m.

    • 9.30 a.m.- Nearly 200 regular policemen, Swift Action Group, Riot Control Police had been gathered around the High Court premises in Madras.

    • Similar deployment was at the Madurai Bench. (The police are on record saying that they were prepared – See the Times of India, Chennai Edition, 21-Feb-09, page 2).

    • 2.30 pm – 16 advocates went to the B4 High Court Police Station to surrender in connection with the incident that took place in the High Court when Mr. Subramaniam Swamy’s case was heard. They also wanted a complaint registered against Mr. Swamy for having abused a lawyer by his caste name.

    • It appears that though the police were persuaded to register the complaint, they made the surrender of advocates accused by Mr. Swamy of assault a precondition.

    • 3.00 pm – About 200 Armed Police suddenly arrived near the Police station in vans.

    • 3.15 pm – Though the advocates surrendered voluntarily, the police manhandled them and pushed them into the van.

    • Advocates objected to the manhandling.. There were less than a 100 advocates, litigants and others present there.

    • 3.30 pm – The police offensive increased . Most of the gates of the High Court were closed by the police, thus trapping the judges, advocates and litigants inside the campus.

    • Stones were pelted from all directions. Reports say that the police started to throw first.

    • Lathicharge of advocates by the armed riot police started.
    • Fresh reinforcements of the Special Action Group (riot police) arrived (nearly 200) and the lathi charge continued with greater instensity and the police chased advocates into court halls and chamber blocks.

    • The Hon’ble Acting Chief Justice with some judges like Justice A.C.Arumuga Perumal Adityan, Justice R.Sudhakar, Justice Mohan Ram, Justice Sashidaran, Justice Satyanarayana, and Justice Jyothimani came out of their chambers/court halls hearing the commotion. The police did not spare the judges and the advocates who shielded them suffered grievous injuries and are hospitalized.
    • Justice Arumugha Perumal Adityan sustained injuries
    • The Acting Chief Justice ran towards the registry office in the high court annexe building. However the offices were bolted from inside by the staff fearing the police. Only when the accompanying advocates and staff banged the door announcing the presence of the Acting Chief Justice were the doors opened. Other Judges ran in different directions.

    • 4.00 pm – The judges took refuge in the chambers of the
    Acting Chief Justice, who tried in vain to contact the Chennai City Police Commissioner, the DGP and the Chief Secretary telephonically.

    • 4.00 to 6.00 pm- The Police entered court halls, advocates chambers, administrative offices and lathi-charged both advocates and others present. The police dragged advocates and any other person found even on floors above the ground level and beat them. Women advocates were also not spared. In addition to the physical assault, they were also subjected to sexist offensive language.
    • The policemen barged into the court buildings and with brute force broke window panes, caused extensive damage to furniture and records of courts including electronic equipment, LCD television sets and computers, the registry, the offices of the personal assistants of the Judges, the Associations inside the campus like the Madras High Court Advocates Association and the Law Association, the libraries and even the offices of the Government Pleaders and Prosecutors, Advocates chambers and vehicles parked in the campus. Close to 200 cars and two wheelers were damaged.

    • Advocates, litigants, court staff, judges, children in the day care centre near the Family courts and general public were trapped in various court buildings.

    • 5.30 pm – The B4 police out post located at the southern end of the campus after the Family Court building caught fire. At that point of time, the entire campus was under a siege by the police. Judges , advocates, staff and litigants including those injured were trapped inside the court halls and chambers. Many had fled the campus . The police station had already been cordoned off by the armed police. The claim of the police that the advocates set fire is false.
    • The riot police reached the door step of the chambers of the Hon’ble Acting Chief Justice, where the full court had taken refuge. The registrar General and other senior court staff and some advocates were present inside the chambers. The riot police lathi charged the advocates who were assembled outside the chamber waiting anxiously for judicial response and protection.
    • Justice Sudanthiram rushed out of the chamber of the Acting Chief Justice on hearing the commotion but had to beat a hasty retreat as he too was attacked.
    • The riot police started banging the doors of the chambers of the Acting Chief Justice.
    • 6.00 pm – Some of the injured persons managed to leave the court premises escorted by advocates through the northern gate facing Thambu Chetty street on NSC Bose Road as it was the only gate open.

    • 6.30 pm – The Police chased the advocates leaving the campus into the adjoining streets including Esplanade Road, NSC Bose Road, Armenian Street, Thambu Chetty Street, Linghi Chetty Street, Sunkurama Chetty Street. The Police indiscriminately beat people found on these streets. They also entered shops and law offices and continued the rampage. Many people took refuge in shops and shutters were drawn. They specially targeted the offices of advocates in the said streets.

    • 7.30 pm-the DGP ,the Chief Secretary and the Home Secretary finally came to the Hon’ble Chief Justice’s chambers.

    • 6.30 – 8.00 pm – Police violence continued. Vehicles parked inside the court campus were randomly damaged and any person found was chased and beaten.

    • The entire High Court campus was under siege between 3.30 p.m. and 8.00 pm.

    • At the end of the day, nearly 150 advocates, staff and litigants were admitted to hospital with serious injuries and significantly the majority had sustained head injuries.

    • At about 8 p.m. on the basis of a written complaint given by a lawyer, the High court treating it as a PIL passed an order recording the incidents and directed that the investigation be handed over to the CBI. It also constituted three committees to assess the damage to the high court and other courts.
    • 20.02.09- The High Court could not function thereafter as court property was extensively damaged. Furniture, electronic equipment and glass pieces were found strewn everywhere. Advocates who had assembled in the premises for a peaceful demonstration were threatened by the police. Late in the evening, shoot at sight orders for damage to public property was ordered and a handful of protesters were trapped inside the campus.

    • At about 11.40 pm, a few advocates had to enter the court with the permission of the Acting Chief Justice to escort these protesters out of the campus.

    • 21.02.2009 – The High Court wore a deserted look and all the entrances have been locked. At every entrance, 40 to 50 policemen have been posted. Many shops on the adjoining streets were closed. The same situation continues even today.
    • The High Court issued an official statement that it did not authorize police entry on 19.02.09.
    • The High Court passed judicial orders calling for a report from the police commissioner to take a decision on initiating criminal contempt proceedings against the state officials. It also held the state accountable for the damage caused.

    While this is the state of affairs attempts are being made to project the violence of the police as a clash between them and the advocates. There is extensive video footage of the assault, despite which the state government has not even suspended the police commissioner and the joint commissioner who was in charge of the operation.

    We bring to your notice that 35 senior advocates of the Madras High Court have passed a resolution condemning the atrocities committed by the police and the brutal and indiscriminate assault on judges, advocates, staff, general public and the damage caused to property.

    Unfortunately the police is generating false rumours by the day as if the advocates pose a threat to the safety of the courts, based on which shoot at sight orders have been issued to be enforced in and around the courts in the state.

    Representations by advocates to restore normalcy have gone in vain. It is ironical that while the judiciary was outrageously attacked by the police , it has reposed faith in the same force to guard its property in preference to the advocates who protected the judges and suffered grievous injuries in the process.

    The prominence given to the “shoot at sight” orders, simultaneous with the closure of courts with the physical presence of large contingents of armed police around courts all over the state gives the most disturbing appearance as if the state judiciary is under siege by the police and the judges have no control over the administration of justice. This sends a dangerous message to the

    general public completely shaking their faith in the rule of law and the independence of the judiciary.

    Today members of the judiciary, court staff , advocates and litigants feel unsafe to enter courts with police present in such large numbers. It is imperative
    to completely remove the police from the courts in Tamil Nadu for the judicial system to start functioning freely without any fear.

    The legal community including the judiciary in Tamil Nadu look up to you in this hour of crisis. The Hon’ble Supreme court should suo motu order judicial enquiry by a panel of sitting high court judges since it is the judiciary that has been attacked and made dysfunctional Courts in the high court premises cannot function unless extensive repairs are effected.

    We urge you to visit the High Court and make effective interventions to restore people’s faith in the majesty of justice including that of subordinate judicial officers, ministerial staff and that of the legal community.

  8. vskesavan says:

    A representation by the senior lawyers of the Madras High Court
    To

    The Chief Justice of India

    Supreme Court,

    New Delhi.

    ‘JALIANWALA BAGH’ IN MADRAS HIGH COURT

    The ugly incidents that took place on the afternoon of the 19th day of February, 2009 within the precincts of the Chartered High Court of Madras have left scores bleeding and thousands embittered. There seems to be an attempt to project advocates as the chief cause and perpetrators of the violence that was unleashed inside the premises. In this context, it is felt that a few important issues have been overlooked in the dust and din that has been raised:

    1. A large posse of regular policemen, Swift Action Group, Riot Control Police had been gathered around the High Court premises since morning – did the police suspect anything, was anything being planned?

    2. The police are on record saying that they were prepared – see News Report by A.Selvaraj in the Times of India, Chennai Edition, 21-Fen-09, at page 2.

    3. It is alleged that a group of advocates created a commotion/uproar/disturbance over the police’s laxity in filing an FIR against Shri Subramaniam Swamy and that the police ‘action’ which ensued was the result of trying to control this group of advocates.

    4. If the police had such a large force piled up, could not this group of advocates have been contained without much difficulty – or are the police so inefficient that it is incapable of even this clinical operation?

    5. Was it necessary to run amok inside the High Court to control a group of advocates, as alleged?

    6. How then did the police let themselves inside the High Court premises on the afternoon of February 19th, after the boycott had ended? This action is indeed surprising viewed in the context of the extreme ‘restraint’ the police had shown itself to be capable of, a couple of months ago at the Madras Law College.

    7. Worse, the police have charged inside various High Court sections (Registry) – For one, the police have tried force their way into, among others, the High-Court-Judges’-Personal Assistants (P.A) – Section – this Section apparently has had a new door put up at the entrance. Terrified court staff have locked the door from inside and have had their backs to the door trying to resist the police men banging at the door from gaining entry – eye-witnesses recount how the door would open into the section about a feet, and how the staff from inside would push it back in place, only for the door to be banged at again by the police. The door would again have to be pushed back in place – what did the P.A.’s do to merit this?

    8. The High Court library was not spared either – library staff was attacked.

    9. Why was it that the police though it fit to barge into sections lathi charging and terrorizing the poor court staff? Even assuming the police have a right to charge at all advocates for the commotion created by a few, surely the Court staff are distinguishable from the advocates by their dress?

    10. Worried advocates have had to petition the Registrar General to bring the situation into control.

    11. Others, distressed advocates, had also gone to the Acting Chief Justice’s chambers requesting that the police be directed to leave the High Court premises – the ACJ had been in conference with a few judges. Top brass of the police were contacted, none could be reached!

    12. The Acting Chief Justice and a few other judges had then set out to control the scene and to take stock of the situation so as to ensure no further harm to men and property. The Judges were then taken to one of the sections viz. Current Section to avoid any untoward incident. However this precaution failed as one of the Hon’ble Judges was injured.

    13. A charge is made that the B4 Police Station inside the High Court premises was set ablaze by the advocates. Footage shown on T.V. shows the police station, without any damage to it, surrounded by a couple of hundred policemen including the Swift Action Group/Riot Control Police – how then did advocates get access to the police station. Who burned the Police Station down?

    14. Police have charged indiscriminately at all advocates – photos abound of police beating up innocent advocates huddled into a corner, of thrashing people who were pleading with hands folded…

    15. There is ample footage of advocates’ cars and motor bikes being smashed by the policemen. Why? If there was such an emergent need for the police to charge to contain the ‘attacking advocates’ why was it deemed fit to stop mid way, turn their fury at the vehicles and proceed?

    16. And, what of police men throwing stones on people at Court corridors?

    17. The police started beating up women advocates and using abusive language without any provocation. This treatment was also meted out to innocent litigants who were unfortunate enough to be in the campus on the ill-fated day. Surely a case of “protectors” turning “aggressors”.

    18. If a large group of advocates gathered and retaliated by throwing stones, can they be accused of throwing stones without grave and sudden provocation?

    19. If a group of advocates were the first to resort to throwing stones, why were tear gas shells/water cannons not used to contain them? In any case, what was the need to attack, get inside the offices of the Registry and beat up Court staff?

    20. The police have also gone inside the chambers of the Acting Chief Justice and terrorized the Acting Chief Justice’s staff.

    21. Mr.Justice A.C.Arumuga Perumal Adityan was wounded in the police ‘action’ with a lathi and had to be protected by a group of advocates who got badly injured and had to be rushed to the hospital along with the Hon’ble Judge.

    22. At least two exits from the High Court have been locked preventing advocates, court staff and others from going outside – is a reference to Jalianwala Bagh inappropriate?

    23. Not satisfied with all the above, the police have chased advocates even outside the High Court premises, in and around NSC Bose Road.

    A very sad day for the Indian judiciary; a judiciary required to be independent of executive interference. While there may be two opinions on whether the preceding boycott was justified or not, the brutal attack on the institution had nothing to do with this. It is a fact that the Madras High Court was ransacked and vandalized by the police who could not be controlled by even the Chennai City Police Commissioner.

    In the light of all the above, it is submitted that advocates have a genuine cause for anguish over this terror that has been let loose by the police. The extent of damage caused to the person and property of the officers of the Court stand testimony to the fact that the police ‘action’ was much more than disproportionate to the disturbances alleged to have been caused by a group of advocates.

    Thirty five senior Advocates, including R.Krishnamurthy, Habibullah Badsha, both former Advocate Generals of the High Court, Madras, Mr.T.R.Rajagopolan, former Additional Advocate General, Mr.N.Natarajan and Mr.R.Gandhi, Senior Advocates met on 20.02.2009 and discussed the serious situation in the High Court and passed the following resolutions:

    “ We the senior members of the Madras Bar place on record our strongest disapproval of the atrocities committed by the Police, Swift Action Group and Commandos inside the Madras High Court premises on the 19th February 2009, brutally and indiscriminately attacking innocent lawyers, Court staff and general public and damaging public property as well as vehicles parked inside the campus.

    We condemn the atrocious act of the Police in even attacking the constitutional authorities – the Hon’ble Judges of the Madras High Court, as well as the Subordinate Judiciary, this interfering with the administration of judicial system.

    We demand the prompt and severe action to be taken against the Police officers, who issued directions to the Police to take aggressive action against the lawyers and the Police who unleashed a reign of terror within the High Court campus.

    Be all these as they may, two urgent issues need to be addressed – first, finding out what was the agenda behind this indiscriminate action and secondly, and more importantly, saving the all important institution of the High Court from the clutches of the police.

    Sd/- [R.KRISHNAMOORTHY]

    Sd/- [R.GANDHI]

    Sd/- [SRIRAM PANCHU]

    Sd/- [T.R.RAJAGOPALAN]

    Sd/- [ARVIND P.DATAR]

    Sd/- [R.MUTHUKUMARASWAMY]

    Sd/- [K.ALAGIRISWAMI]

    Sd/- [M.S.KRISHNAN]

    Sd/- [S.PARTHASARATHY]

    Sd/- [HEMA SAMPATH]

    Sd/- [ARL SUNDARESAN]

    Sd/- [K.CHANDRAMOULI]

    Sd/- [S.SHANMUGAVELAYUTHAM]

    Sd/- [R.THYAGARAJAN]

    Sd/- [T.VENKATACHALAPATHY]

    Sd/- [A.L.SOMAYAJI]

  9. vskesavan says:

    Are the media moral police?
    The renowned seniors have done a great job in supporting the right cause at right time. Without knowing the real facts most of the half boiled people passing comments against the lawyers as if they deserve this treatment from the police. Most of the biased news media, quoting the public, criticizing the lawyers for their boycotts. I don’t understand who they are and in what way they can criticize lawyers. Are they affected parties?. There is some meaning if the litigant public complains about the boycott. Others have no locus standi to do that. All the news and television media have their own agenda in the issue for their personal gains. That’s why they are reporting in biased manner politically and other ways. They should stop advising the lawyers. We know the standard of the reporters and their price to write biased reports. They should not think themselves as moral police.

  10. vskesavan says:

    Justice V.R. Krishna Iyer’s statement
    THE BLACK ROBES BLEEDINGLY BARBARISED BY KHAKI UNIFORM WITH BATON JUSTICE INSIDE HALLOWED HIGH COURT OF JUSTICE—THE HAVOC IN THE HIGH COURT OF MADRAS on 19th February 2009

    At First the lawyers were to blame for assaulting Dr. Subramaniam Swamy. Then the police came berserk and in rapid excess of violence. I just received a long communication from Chennai about the horrendous terror and horror where the uniformed police force turned barbarian and beat up every black robed lawyer they came across and in the rumpus and riotous situation. A few robed brethren administering justice were also victims of lathy generosity. Around 150 lawyers have stated to have been hospitalized with injuries. As the police station incendiarised inside the court premises with riot police everywhere and justices seeking refuge inside the Chief Justice’s Chambers. This is a scenery the like of which no eye had seen, no heart conceived, no human tongue can adequately tell. The police managed the press and put out a version making the lawyers the villain. Poisonous when pitted against the police the lawyer’s version went by default and even the judges proved powerless. The highest institution of justice in the State stands scandalize and stultified and the forensic process was panalised with the Constitution made a paper tiger. The judges with their rich power cipherized and the administration of justice in the State humiliated by police raj with none to police the police. This grave collapse of the rule of law is a national catastrophe of people’s sovereignty. What we need now is not orders and lectures, articles and arguments but withdraw the police, the last of them from the High Court premises and the compound, suspend the Commissioner of Police and the DGP or else all the judges of the Court en-mass resign until the judiciary is restored to its power and dignity and the High Court truly hallowed and absolute peace restored. A high-powered Commission with full power of investigation shall come into existence in a week’s time with full power to recommend transitory transfers and interim punitive orders with natural justice observed. An emergency in Chennai shall at once be promulgated with the plenary power of the State administration vested in a group of the senior most high judges of the supreme Court—an extraordinary measure which the Central Cabinet must immediately act otherwise the cause of justice which is fundamental to fundamental rights is made a cadaver and Indian Independence annihilated internally by a Khaki domination a law unto itself. This shall not be. When the nation is in crisis political difference is allergic unless the President acts now. Swaraj becomes mirage and democracy a simulacrum of independence.

  11. vskesavan says:

    So you are not going to publish the explanation given by me on behalf of lawyers? You have no locus standi to blame the lawyers.

  12. g0utham says:

    Excuse me Sir… I just now visited my blog after came from college…
    So only there is delay in approve ur comments…
    I wont delete any comments …

  13. G.R.Kumar says:

    Hi

    I also disagree with your comments. The media is to be blamed for that. Why should the police pile up such huge contingency of forces, when the lawyers had called off their boycott and began their work. Why did the police venture to arrest the persons alleged to have committed any crime inside the court premises. According to the Police, the provocation was a stone thrown at them, if they are provoked and they can brutally assault innocent people then they could have shot them all, as they have all the ammunition with them. It was a pre-planned and well organised attack on the judiciary as a whole. You feel its good thing that the police have done, beating unarmed innocent people. If the lathi charge was intended only to disperse the mob, then it should have stopped once they run, but they went on attacking innocent people, including judges of the high court and the lower judiciary, which clearly proves the evil design of the police and whomsoever behind it. The police were vengeful against lawyers, as they are the only persons who question their authority. It is very unfortunate that you and persons like you have misunderstood the entire episode.

  14. vskesavan says:

    thanks Goutham

  15. Ramkumar says:

    Law(lawyers) + Police Force brings the crime to an end, and brings peace to this land.

    I can see from the above topic “No police men have the habit of using internet”.

    Public (including me) saw the video contents which shows Lawyers shouting at the police force who were standing there(in ready position and waiting for their turn) with bad words, ofcourse some have tried to keep both the end quite. But few lawyers didnt control themselves and started throwing stones. Thats what we have seen in the television. I feel, its impossible that all the television channels support only the Police Department.

    Not even a single channel is there to speak out the truth stands in lawyers side ?

    It seems there is a long time conflict between Lawyers and Police department.. The rooting starts from the Law College itself. Students are clearly trained in the terms of not co-operating with the police department in any circumstances. Ofcourse, i must blame the Police Dept too…

    My humble request for the readers (especially lawyers)of this post is “You People born to bring and maintain the peace to this land, without you two, we(public) cannot survive in this land…”

    Thats all….

  16. kavitha Ra says:

    This is the version of Advocate D. Geetha who was present during the terrorist act of the police.

    > You all must have been following the news reports on the
    > violence unleashed by the Tamil Nadu Police on the 19th Feb
    > 2009 in the High Court campus at Madras. Being attacked by
    > the police, we, the lawyer community, saw the indifference
    > of the media, both the print and the electronic media in
    > reporting the attacks, by not giving the true facts. Except
    > a couple of media, all the news papers and television
    > channels have reported only the Police version. None of
    > these Newspapers or the television channels took the effort
    > to ascertain the facts from the lawyers, who were present
    > when the police hooligans had indulged in the
    > “First-of-its-kind” violent attack against the lawyers,
    > court staff, litigants and even on the judges of the High
    > Court!
    >
    > The media projected that the violence was between lawyers
    > and the police men but failed to report that the police men
    > terrorised all the people in the High Court Campus on that
    > day. After the initial attack by the police men which
    > occurred between 3 p.m and 4 p.m. on the lawyers, litigants
    > and staff and damaging the four wheelers, two wheelers and
    > other vehicles parked inside the campus within the city
    > civil court and Family court vicinity, the lawyers protested
    > the attack and approached the Acting Chief Justice, who was
    > in his chamber around 4pm. Justice Sudhakar, who was
    > present with him in his chamber volunteered to come along
    > with the lawyers to see what was happening. Mr. Js.
    > Sudhakar personally witnessed the attack by the police men
    > that was unleashed on the lawyers. Since the Court Dafedar
    > went before the Judge, the police men understood that some
    > court official was coming and traced back their steps, went
    > back and assembled near the police
    > station inside the campus. At that time I personally was
    > present and went inside the Family court, Labour Courts and
    > rescued all those who were trapped inside fearing attack by
    > the Police.
    >
    > Using the 20 minutes of calm that prevailed during the
    > visit of the Judge, we managed to bring about 10 lawyers who
    > were badly injured and bleeding inside the court rooms and
    > other offices. When the judge went back, the police men
    > started their second round of attack and we all escaped from
    > the scene, running for our life. The second round of attack
    > started from 4.30 p.m. and went on till 5.30 pm and this
    > time they managed to attack the writ filing section in the
    > new building of the high court. Around 5.30 pm, 5 judges
    > came down to put things in order. Among them, one of the
    > judges Mr. Js. Arumuga Perumal Adityan was attacked and
    > injured by the Police who were attacking all those wearing
    > white-shirts and Black Coats and the other judges just about
    > managed to escape. After that, the Police entered into the
    > third round of attack in which they went to the extent of
    > entering the lawyers’ chambers, judges’ rooms and the
    > court halls. They also did not
    > spare the offices of Government Advocates and also the
    > Mediation Centre Office. They moved towards the NSC Bose
    > Road and started damaging all the vehicles on the other side
    > of the Court. In the meanwhile, it was alleged that the
    > lawyers set fire to the police station, which was not
    > practically possible for the lawyers to reach the police
    > station where 500 strong armed policemen were standing.
    >
    > By 6.30 pm these armed police men started assaulting all
    > those who were trying to escape from the campus. The worst
    > came the last – the armed policemen came on to NSC Bose Road
    > and started attacking all those seen with white shirts.
    > Further these police men started chasing the Lawyers inside
    > the streets cutting NSC Bose road, namely Thambu Chetty
    > Street, Linghi Chetty Street, Armenian Street, Kondi Chetty
    > Street etc. I was also chased while I was inside the Linghi
    > Chetty Street. They came chasing us on these streets not
    > once, but thrice. By 7 pm they entered the offices inside
    > these streets and attacked all the lawyers and their
    > offices.
    >
    > The High Court Judges took notice of the brutality and the
    > full court assembled in the Chief Justice’s Chamber. When
    > the Acting Chief Justice called the Commissioner of Police
    > and asked them to withdraw the policemen from the campus,
    > there was no compliance and in fact the brutality was
    > unleashed with the much more violence and the police men had
    > spread across the campus, inside the chambers and the
    > lawyers’ offices. What made these police men to go on such
    > a rampage is still not known.

  17. Ramesh R says:

    When there were clashes in the law college, police were blamed for not taking action and their statement that they cannot enter the college premises without permission was mocked at. Who gave the rights to lawyers to attack Janata Party president?? why is no judge or no advocate criticising that? it shows that they are impartial, what right do these lawyers who don’t respect law have to question the liberty of the police to enter the court premises?

  18. vskesavan says:

    A response I found at a Samanvaya website in response to the blogger’s post condemning the violence “by lawyers”

    Dear Ram:
    Your good intended piece seems to be raising many misplaced concerns about the supremacy of institutions like the courts in this country. Hope you are watching Loksabha TV also to know about the other institution.

    1. I just do not understand why there should be a five member committee of judges to go on a simple petty case of ill treatment (of a lawyer by another one). Had it been done to someone else other than Dr.Subramaniyan Swamy – do you think the same High court and the police would have gone this far in the first place. ?

    So the answer could be – Dr.Swamy or his likes are greater gods who can not be touched. How many people in this country have such privilege. Why there is a need for around 800 police rapid action force in the campus of the High court. Don’t you think there will be more than what we see with our eyes.

    After all egging or throwing tomatoes are accepted as a way of protest in the so called ‘western democracies’ from where we borrowed this establishment. An act of egging does not event count an offense with a criminal intent in many democracies – from where we copied this High Court.

    2. Just for the sake of a legal argument – the legal sections that is filed against Dr. Swamy is more grave than a simple egging incident that warrants almost no arrests by police. But the police arrest the accused lawyers with such a brutal force. Why is it so, is it such an urgent matter to be resolved in this country, or the police have solved every other case pending. Therefore what is wrong with the agitating advocates asking the police to investigate Dr.Swamy first, because he is booked in a grave offense than them.

    Do not misunderstand me for writing this – my own brother and many relatives are practicing as lawyers in courts including Madras ‘High’ court. They all think that if egging is done for them nothing would have happend.

    All this Chennai HC violence is to safeguard someones superiority rather than the Instituional sanctity in this country.

    May be you can also read the links to get an alternative view:

    http://vinavu.wordpress.com/2009/02/17/sswamy1/

    With regards
    R.Seenivasan.

  19. vskesavan says:

    this may be the answer to all the questions…

    Written by Malarthamilin kalugu.com.

    Malarthamil is a civil engineer and writer-poet inspired by Thirukkural – a classical Tamil poetry that expounds various aspects of life.

    The recent police attack on the Madras High Court lawyers in the southern Indian city of Chennai is known to have been premeditated by the central and state governments in an apparant effort to divert attention from the flaring Sri Lankan issue in the state.

    Prior to the violent incident in the Madras High Court campus in which several members of the state judiciary and public were injured and their properties damaged, there were several peaceful protests across the Tamil Nadu state to draw attention to the plight of the Tamil civilians getting killed in the carpet bombing and cluster bombing by the Sri Lankan forces in the war ravaged neighboring country of Sri Lanka.

    While these protests were by large peaceful, there were stray incidents of buses being torched by unknown elements. Self immolations by individuals were also on the rise and have caused a psychological stress among public who are puzzled at the insensitivity shown by the central and state governments on the issue.

    Inspite of the public outcry and no action by the government in response, peace prevailed in the state. The public transportation, government and private establishments were all fuctioning without any disruption. The Lawyers protest though, had stalled the functioning of the judiciary system in the state. It was a deliberate attempt by the lawyers to draw the attention of the entire nation. The lawyers drew parallels to their protest with Mahatma Gandhi’s civil disobedience movement.

    While the state and central governments could afford to ignore all other protests by the people, it could not brush off the lawyers boycott, since the judiciary system was coming to a grinding halt and becoming a major irritant.

    Therefore there was a compulsion for the government to act immeidately and contain the lawyers protest. From the detailed accounts of the incident it is evident that the violent attacks on the lawyers was planned by the central government of India and executed by the officers of the Tamil Nadu state government with the knowledge of the government machinery. It may not be a surprise, if we come to know that the Judicial authorities in New Delhi were briefed prior to the incident on possible use of force. The CBI enquiry can only be seen as a part of the enacted drama in the post drama session.

    Now the voices on the Sri Lankan crisis have been silenced. The Madras High Court incident is being referenced as a Police – Lawyer clash. Few opinioated media are engaged in the character assasination of the lawyers. The lawyers are now suddenly projected as being dishonest and unruly . The pundits at power in Delhi and Chennai have achieved what they wanted with the help of few misleading media elements.

    Obviously people have been defeated in this deceitful democracy. Again the Sri Lankan Tamils have been orphaned.

  20. vskesavan says:

    “Do not judge, or you too will be judged.”

    “For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged [if we judge with an evil heart or dark intent, His judgment of us will reflect it; if we judge nobly and honestly, His judgment of us will reflect that, too], and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you [if we use extremes or exaggerations or other unfair means, our judgment will reflect it]. Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye [point out his sins, “minor” in Jesus’ example here] and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye [our own sins, even and especially those we will not admit, magnified by our selective blindness]? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ [tell him of his “minor” sins] when all the time there is a plank in your own eye [that there are greater or the same sins in our own lives which we do nothing about or think we are above]? You hypocrite* [pointing out the sins of others while by pretense we think of ourselves as above sin], first take the plank out of your own eye [sincerely ask the Lord for forgiveness and learn and live the Truth and Light by His Word], and then you will see clearly [be in a righteous position] to remove the speck from your brother’s eye [to judge and to help him out of his bondage to sin].”

    “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.”

  21. I agree with you Mr. kesavan. The central as well as the state government has achieved what they had targeted for. It was only the Advocates who raised voice for srilankan tamilians. The government had cleverly planned and diverted the issue and they had succeeded. The media is also helping them.

    Regarding the comment of R. Ramesh,
    There is no proof that lawyers only had pelted eggs on Janatha Party leader . No lawyer carry eggs with them in the court campus. Even assuming without admitting that lawyers have pelted eggs on subramanya swamy , why is that innocent advocates , judges were beaten up and court halls and vehicles have been damaged. Some political force is behind these issues.

  22. vskesavan says:

    Ms.Kavitha this is also nagging in my mind for the past few days:

    More than 6 HC judges were attacked by the police on 19.2.2009 incident and they are still suffering in silence. After reading the above report the reason for the judges’ silence is clear. They might have understood that everything is pre-planned and even the supreme court would not come to their rescue. That is what happening now by appointing a commissioner to advice the lawyers to go back to work which was not at all his assignment.

    Now the big question is, will the judiciary dare to pass any adverse order in a case against any government and its corrupt ministers in future?

    Even if the boycott is withdrawn, can the lawyers and public depose confidence on the judiciary in the current situation?

    I wonder!!!!!!!!!!!.

  23. Mr. Kesavan… One more aspect which we need to think over…. At present more number of contempt proceedings are pending against the government in court which they never take it seriously. And now after the attack on judiciary due you think that the orders of the judiciary will be taken up seriously by the executive machinary which is the government. What is the fate of the public ?? We advocates are only acting as agents of the public for their grievances.. Media and public are criticizing us for boycotting and asking us to resume work, but they are not understanding that we are boycotting only to save the extra ordinary powers of the judiciary which will safeguard the public against the acts of the executive (government). Judiciary is supreme …..

  24. janamejayan says:

    Also have you noticed that while the lawyers make full use of the media and the blogs to air their views and condemn anyone opposed to theirs, the policemen do not post any views. May be they are forbidden to do so. Anyway, there is an imbalance here and we should have consideration for this.

    The politicians have misused the police. Karunanidhi is the minister in charge of the police and can anyone think that that the police acted without the knowledge of Karunanidhi? These lawyers most of whom belong to the Dravidian parties want to blame only the police and not Karunanidhi. Why?

  25. janamejayan says:

    Also why did the lawyers attack Dr.Subramanian Swamy inside the court right in front of the judges. These are the hooligans who charge the police of invading the court. One rule for them and another rule for others.

    Dr.Subramanian Swamy was there to represent the Dhikshitars of Chidambaram whose temple was illegally taken over by Karunanidhi. Karunanidhi is angry at Dr.Swamy because he thwarted MuKa’s bid to blow up Ramasethu so his ilks can make money in the dredging and in the selling of the thorium rich sand. Also Dr.Swamy is a Brahmin and all the Dravidian lawyers have been ‘educated’ by Karunanidhi to hate Brahmins and persecute them. So the moment they saw Dr.Swamy they decided to attack him. But you see people don’t roam around town carrying rotton eggs especially lawyers, or atleast you would think so. The fact they were hurling rotton eggs at him show it was a pre-meditated attack.

    If lawyers go around setting fire to police stations would you respectfully call them as honourable lawyers or as atrocious hooligans?

    It is said that the lawyers took the sanctuary of the court and hurled stones at the police. But they are angry that the police chased them inside and beat them.

    Yes, it is true that the police have no business inside the court but what business the striking lawyers have inside the court except to misuse the same be it for attacking Dr.Swamy or the police. They are writing here as if they are angels.

  26. g0utham says:

    yea….. U r right man…….

    He is the one in the top need to check everything…..

  27. vskesavan says:

    Mr.janamejayan, we are not angels. All your above questions were already answered by me in your blog. But being angel you ought to have published them. You challenged me for a debate for which I posted my reply. You failed to publish that also. One can wake up who is really sleep, but you are pretending as sleeping. We can not wake you up. You are prejudiced on the issue by the cast you belong. As I replied you in your blog, we are not supporting any errant lawyer. We want to safe guard the image of the noble profession from the vested interests’ biased attack. I believe you will take the statement of Justice V.R.Krishna Iyer, if you are belonging to the same community. But, I don’t believe in cast, creed or color. I again want to tell you that you have no locus standi to blame the lawyers enmass. I just wanted to say:

    “Do not judge, or you too will be judged.”

    “For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged [if we judge with an evil heart or dark intent, His judgment of us will reflect it; if we judge nobly and honestly, His judgment of us will reflect that, too], and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you [if we use extremes or exaggerations or other unfair means, our judgment will reflect it]. Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye [point out his sins, “minor” in Jesus’ example here] and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye [our own sins, even and especially those we will not admit, magnified by our selective blindness]? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ [tell him of his “minor” sins] when all the time there is a plank in your own eye [that there are greater or the same sins in our own lives which we do nothing about or think we are above]? You hypocrite* [pointing out the sins of others while by pretense we think of ourselves as above sin], first take the plank out of your own eye [sincerely ask the Lord for forgiveness and learn and live the Truth and Light by His Word], and then you will see clearly [be in a righteous position] to remove the speck from your brother’s eye [to judge and to help him out of his bondage to sin].”

    “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.”

  28. janamejayan says:

    Dear Sri Gautham,

    It is a lie on the part of vskesavan to say that I challenged him for a debate. We bloggers make our obsservations of the world events and sometime give vent to our feelings. We do not take sides for there is nothing for us to grind. vskesavan as a lawyer has a lot to say one-sided story because he is a party to the event.

    I did ask him to give us the GENESIS of the Lawyers’ strike, not challenge him for a debate. If he had given it would be an admission that the strike was totally in support of a foreign terror outfit that killed over thousand of our patriotic soldiers and the strike was in favour of a terrorist outfit that killed a Prime Minister of our country democratically elected by the people of Bharat for the reason he sent the Indian troops into Srilanka as per the resolution of the parliament of India. This brave democrat who abided to the parliament was blown up by an undemocratic terrorist outfit. These lawyers went on strike appealing to the spoken language of the people. Can you condone a scoundrel just because he speaks your language? They went on strike in support of the LTTE who were indulging in international terrorism in the name of Ealam Tamils. Is this not blatantly anti-national? Now how is the strike support the ordinary litigant in Tamilnadu? I suppose vskesavan is a Christian because he is giving a bilical lecture to me on ‘judging’! No wonder he has no word of condemnation for his ilks’ attack on a poor Hindu Brahmin who came to appeal against Karunanidhi’s high-handedness and one of his judicial colleague’s pliant yeilding to the DMK govt’s anti-Brahmin robbery. Did you hear him condemn the attack on Dr.Swamy? After hitting him, they wanted to file a false complaint against him. This is what you can expect from a bunch of scoundrels who parade as lawyers.

  29. vskesavan says:

    Mr.janamejayan, I am not a christian. I belong to kongu vellala gounder community. Thanks for calling the lawyers as scoundrels. What else can I expect from persons like you hiding in sudo names. And for your information even Mr.Swamy did not prefer any complaint till date on the incident. Further, I am not against Brahmins. Many of my best friends are Brahmins. You are biased on the basis of caste feelings. There wont be any use arguing with you on the issue.

  30. janamejayan says:

    Oh, Yes. On V.R.Krishna Iyer’s statement. The whole world knows him to be a communist. A communist has no roots in India. Their roots are in Vatican, Moscow and Peking. He may have been born a Brahmin but except for his name he is neither a patriotic Indian nor a Hindu nor a Brahmin. I have no room for the blabbers of communists in my blog.

  31. janamejayan says:

    Why would Dr. Swamy prefer any complaint. The judges themselves are witnesses. You seem to say that since Dr.Swamy had not filed a complaint, therefore nothing wrong has happened. Is that how a lawyer’s brain work? You still have not condemned the attack on Dr.Swamy by your fellow lawyers. Is that because he did not file a complaint?!

    Thanks for the info that you are a Vellala Gounder. I know of good many Vellala Gounders who are patriotic people. They are a very admirable community for their great respect for their fellowmen. But does it matter if you cannot quote from the Geetha but only from the bible? It is a shame that people leave their glorious roots and proud identities in favour of poisonous alien ideas which they get from false company they keep.

  32. vskesavan says:

    Mr.janamejayan, I just now read the home page of your blog and details of your ‘about’ and your other interests and connections. Infact, before that I wrote my replies only on assumption that you are brahmin. I told several times that I am not supporting errant lawyers.But you are blaming the entire lawyer community which is not acceptable.

    “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.”

  33. vskesavan says:

    I don’t believe in cast, creed or color. I have no particular reason to chose bible now.
    But, I really believe in our cultural values.

    I can not condemn any one unless it is found who threw the eggs on Dr.Swamy.I would like to point out one thing here. Few weeks ago few lawyers assaulted one senior government advocate inside the court hall for which no action or full bench is appointed to probe. But why for Dr.Swamy this privilege is given?

  34. janamejayan says:

    I didn’t know your caste until you told me. Also you don’t know my caste. How can you then claim I am against you on caste basis. These are vain talks. Please face reality, give up bad company, keep dhaarmic attitude and be firmly grounded in your community, in your religion and in your country. That’s when God keep you company. Otherwise you keep asuric company. It is your choice.

  35. janamejayan says:

    Does it matter who threw the egg? Throwing egg is violence whether it is Dr.Swamy or someone else who was assaulted inside the court. As an Individual you know if it is right or wrong. Don’t you?

  36. janamejayan says:

    Thanks for telling me that you are not supporting errant lawyers. That’s a good beginning!

  37. vskesavan says:

    I assumed your caste from your replies already.I don’t support either you or your opposite parties, who ever it be.You people have your own agendas on the issue. The police have their own agenda and the media is there to publish what ever their version from the small petty cases to big rape crimes. I have only agenda trying to safe guard the judiciary for the sake of public. My only grievance is that the attack on judiciary was police excessive. As a lawyer I can not tolerate it. If any government thinks itself above the judiciary then the rule of law will go, which is not good for the people. And for your information I don’t belong to any group. Thousands of lawyers are there like me. All our endeavor is to safe guard the judiciary. We don’t have any other agenda for us in this issue. So don’t blame the lawyers enmass. Hooligans are there in every field of life in the society. Can you blame all the doctors hooligans because Dr.Prakash? Can you blame all the auditors as hooligans because auditors of Sathyam computers? It is really sickening approach and provocative also.

  38. janamejayan says:

    Dear Kesavan,

    Don’t be afraid to think like a non-lawyer. You wouldn’t lose your black gown because of that!

    A group, a community is a force in contrast to an individual. This force is called inertia (in Sanskrit it is called jatam). There are people who would like to use this inertia for or against something. When that happens a person like you do not think as Kesavan but as a lawyer. He is carried away like a log on a flood of water. His thinking is the thinking of the group and not as an individual even though the individual is the (only) reality. The group comes and goes but the individual is always there. But the individual forgets this, forgets his own self. That is when he is hijacked, that is when he is lost. He thinks only as a group and resists to think otherwise. All western religions sells the idea that one should only have group consciousness. It is only to the credit of our exalted religion to say otherwise. It says your karma is your own and nobody else’s. That is how Ramayana started. Valmiki was a robber. To way lay people and rob them was his jaathi dharma. Once a saadhu asked him why he was doing this. Valmiki said he is doing for his family. So the saadhu asked him to go back to his wife and children if they as the beneficiaries of his sins would share in his sins. So Valmiki went to his family and asked the question. They were uniform in the reply that the sins are his and his alone. That is when he became a sanyasi.

    You have to be clear of what is your dharma and stick to it. You would then know how to resist being hijacked. This sense of discrimination is called ‘Buddhi’. Don’t lose it!

  39. vskesavan says:

    Only because I think like a lawyer I am using restrained language in blogs. If I think like a non-lawyer I am free to call people hooligans and scoundrels. Because every one belongs to some group including you. The groups you belonged to may be termed as Hindu fundamentalists or terrorist outfit. For that can we call you a hooligan. I believe my profession is a noble profession and I think according to that. I think myself as noble because of my profession and act according to that. If I think myself as non-lawyer definitely I will not be such noble person. If I think as non-lawyer, then I will not be different from other people.

  40. Mr. Janamejayan, in the dabate I wish to state that you have the supremacy that you are a Bhramin. How can you say without proof that Karunanidhi trained Dravida Advocates to attack swamy. ?? Do you think that Dravidans will behave so and Bhramins are intellectuals?? In fact all advocates are condemning Karunanidhi for his acts..But the media is not publishing them. What can we do… Media is also dominated by your community and they will never support the truth … Here the issue is not Dravida Vs Bhramins.. Just because one Bhramin of your society being attacked you cannot condemn against the advocates. If Swamy had been from some other community I dont think so you would have supported him.. You have entered this blog with a caste identity which your group always do where ever you go. Please come out of your caste identity and think over the issue neutrally…

  41. janamejayan says:

    You guys brand me as a Brahmin and then attack the Brahmins and me. Where did you get the idea that I am a Brahmin? Secondly why should caste be relevant to seeing things as they are? Thirdly why is it always important for some of you guys to attack the Brahmins for anything and everything? Why should the world be looked only from the non-Brahmin eye? Why is a Brahmin the villain of the piece? These cliches militates against logical and right thinking.

    Please look at the world as as Indian. You will see it as a lot different.

    Karunanidhi uses everyone for his advantage whether it is lawyers or policemen or other political parties etc. etc. – all for his family interest. A man with roots in the barber profession now with D.Litts NOT EARNED but acquired by gentle force of persuation is a multi-billionaire. History will take its own time to unearth the mystery of this wealth acquisition. But to his credit he denied Hindi and English education to over 2 generations of people of Tamilnadu while he and his family members are very fluent in Hindi and English getting tutored at home by very knowledgeable teachers. He derides Hindus and taunts the Brahmins but his family members get Brahmin priests to have regular poojas done at home. Before the last election Stalin and Dhayanidhi were seen going to a temple to seek blessings of Lord Ganesa before filing the nominations. You must have known that Karunanidhi has a Brahmin Yoga teacher under whose advise he threw away the black towel to be replaced by a yellow towel. This is the guy who taught you guys to ‘revolt’ against superstition!

    Kavitha Rajesh, I suppose she is a lawyer, writes: “Just because one Bhramin of your society being attacked you cannot condemn against the advocates.” Please, do you understand the import and logic of this statement? If you are a human being you would start the sentence saying “it is unfortunate that Dr.Swamy was attacked by the lawyers inside the court right in front of the judges. I as a human being and as a lawyer who respects the sanctity of the court cannot condone this act and I strongly condemn this cowardly and despicable act.” But what did you write? “Just because one Bhramin of your society being attacked you cannot condemn against the advocates.” It means that Dr. Swamy can be attacked and the lawyers should not be condemned. What kind of logic is this. How can you efficiently argue in courts in defense of litigants with this kind of perverted, inhuman and self-serving logic?

    And Kavitha goes on to say: “If Swamy had been from some other community I dont think so you would have supported him.” How do you know? In the same token I would ask if Dr. Swamy would have been attacked if he was not a Brahmin? (contd.)

  42. janamejayan says:

    contd..

    There are less than 3% of Brahmins in Tamilnadu who have been elbowed out of the political stream over 60 years ago and this community has been barred from govt. appointments or college admissions, and in the last six decades they have been trooping out of Tamilnadu and yet the vilification and persecution of them is never ending. Can only a Brahmin say this and not a non-Brahmin? The great patriot C.Subramanian (Gownder) of Pollachi who was taught political acumen by none other than Rajaji and who had the blessing of the great Paramacharya of Kanchi would be turning in his grave at his community men despising a hapless and helpless Brahmins being denounced and chased without end. Can any of you count an experience of having been robbed of opportunities by a Brahmin who is nowhere to compete with you?

    I do come from a family of advocates but they do not practice in Tamilnadu. They practice in cities all over India except Tamilnadu. Some of them even practice in the U.S. The reason is obvious.

    Look guys, the Brahmins have left Tamilnadu. Even Dr.Swamy’s wife is a Supreme Court lawyer and she is a Parsi and not a Brahmin. Dr. Swamy ekes his living by teaching at the famous Harvard University during summer for he doesn’t know the art of corruption to which the Dravidian zealots are experts. He is not an unpad cheat for he had earned that doctorate from that very same Harvard. He fought for the freedom of all Indians under the leadership of patriot Jayaprakash Narayan during the repressive days of emergency of Indira Gandhi. Think what were Karunanidhi and other Dravidian leaders or his ally the Congressmen etc. were doing?

    My advise to you guys would be – please be patriotic and not be supportive of terrorist outfits because they speak your language. Get back to work and represent the litigants who are desperate. Karunanidhi misused you but his days are numbered both physically (he is a sick man in his 80s) and politically. The election is round the corner and you have the opportunity to defeat him and his corrupt clan.

  43. janamejayan says:

    Dear Kesavan,

    I am a Hindu (like you are as you claim that heritage) and don’t know what Hindu fundamentalist mean. Such branding is self-serving because you are jumping into a different subject by calling the Hindus as terrorists.

    I do not belong to any group and I zealously guard my individuality. I am bold enough to describe the world that I see because the world passes on in front of me and I am an unattached observer. Yet I know of my roots, the roots of a Hindu who built the greatest civilization on earth and still remain undefeated! I am proud of being who I am. India and Hinduism will remain eternal and give abode to all peace loving people on earth whether they are Jews, Muslim or Chritians.

  44. vskesavan says:

    Mr.janamejayan,

    //I suppose vskesavan is a Christian because he is giving a bilical lecture to me on ‘judging’!//

    You started it first and it forced me to reveal my cast.

    You have written so many articles against the attack on Dr.Swamy. Did you write any article when the senior government advocate was also physically assaulted in front of the first bench few weeks before the Dr.Swamy incident?. It was also published by the media. We did not condemn both attacks because we are not politicians to condemn and get published them in media. Don’t say that because of not condemning the attack on Dr.Swamy we have taken sides and against Brahmins. But, you condemning the attack on Dr.Swamy repeatedly, failed to condemn attack on a non-brahmin. Now tell me who took sides. Further I did not call Hindus as terrorists, just read my post again and understand it properly.

  45. janamejayan says:

    Sir, I honestly have not come across the details of the attack on the senior advocate whose name you have not given. Please furnish the url wherein it was published and I can publish. Putting out on the internet needs authority and so you have to supply me the url. We can then given opinions on the basis of the published url. Please don’t be hasty in imputing motive. You gave me the lecture on judging. So please stick to it!

    Attack on Dr.Swamy happened for what he did to Karunanidhi, be it on his opposition to the blowing up of Ramasethu (the project is actually non-viable, in the name of the project Karunanidhi’s ilks were about to mint money) or Dr.Swamy’s opposition to the telecom scam of the DMK minister who siphoned off thousands of crores of public money. Dr. Swamy is also making a case for the dismissal of the DMK govt. on the law and order situation. Karunanidhi therefore set up the attack through his henchmen among lawyers for as nothing could happen without the knowledge and tacit approval of Karunanidhi who is the Home Minister also. The fact that they carried rotton eggs to attack Dr.Swamy shows it was preplanned. It was not an impulsive attack for as a lawyer you would not be carrying rotton eggs to the court on a regular basis to be used if occassion warrants, would you?

    The attack on Dr.Swamy is not the same as the usual teasing and venoms heaped on some poor Brahmins on the streets of Chennai happening on a daily basis sporadically. That does not need the approval of the high command of the DMK. The attack was pre-planned as a political vendetta. That raises the ire and concern of people world over. You have to compare apple with apple.

    Hindus are not terrorist – period. They are the most peace loving people. They chant OM which means concord. They pray for Santhi, Santhi and Santhi.

  46. vskesavan says:

    The senior government advocate’s name is Mr.Chellaiya. If you really interested in the news find it out from your sources. It is not my business to blaming people.

  47. vskesavan says:

    The Tamil Nadu IPS Officers’ Association said it could not come out with its views as police were party to the dispute. (Courtesy: The Hindu, 3rd March 2009)

    I wish they would point us to the sections of the media who are condemning the police- for we have only been at the receiving end of absurd reports of petrol bombs being thrown from the High Court campus or constables coming to the High Court to submit resignations to the Commissioner being slashed with blades,all lapped up by credulous sections of the media. To be at the receiving end of batons and to have that compounded by ignoring large scale violence by police armed with lathis and protected by riot gear who are alleged to have “retaliated”, when the facts are otherwise, is to sacrifice neutrality at the altar of partisanship. We, by no means intend to circumscribe the viewpoints of those who criticise us- it is not even within our province or power. But it is clear that those in government are closing ranks to protect those who unleashed violence on an unprecedented scale within the precincts of an institution which has safeguarded democracy during its times of peril. Such attempts not only strike at the steel frame of government but trivialise democracy itself. Mark our words, such defense of the indefensible only strengthens arrogance and lack of accountability and those who advocate such defense will surely need support and succour from us in their hour of need, for as you sow, shall you reap.

  48. vskesavan says:

    Text of High Court order 2/03/09-See how the police treat judicial orders
    SUO MOTU [Taken Up] W. P. [PIL] No. 3335 of 2009

    HON’BLE ACTING CHIEF JUSTICE

    MR. JUSTICE V. DHANAPALAN

    MR. JUSTICE K. CHANDRU

    [ORDER OF THE COURT WAS MADE BY

    THE HON’BLE THE ACTING CHIEF JUSTICE]

    Pursuant to the Court’s orders dated 19th February, 2009 and 21st February, 2009, the case has been listed today. While it is informed that the State Government has referred and entrusted the matter to the CBI, after perusal of the records, we are of the view that the Court’s order dated 19th February, 2009 has not been complied with by the respondents. This would be evident from the following facts:

    1. On 19th February, 2009, this Court noticed all the relevant facts, information received from one or other sources and counter claim made by the police and the lawyers. The details regarding the incidents with time have been shown in the said order and in the said order, it has also been mentioned that the Court passed the order at about 6.40pm. The said order was dictated in the presence of the Chief Secretary, Home Secretary, Director General of Police, Commissioner of Police, Government Pleader and certain lawyers. It was ordered to forward a copy of the said order to the Secretary to Government, Department of Personnel and Training, Government of India, New Delhi, who, in its turn, was directed to forward the same to the Director, CBI investigation. This was so ordered as that was the first information given to the Police Officials, viz., Director General of Police, Commissioner of Police, Chennai, apart from other Police Officials, who were present in the Court, which was to be registered as a case for the purpose of investigation by CBI. But from the records, it appears that no case has been registered in terms with the first information received by the Respondents vide Court’s order dated 19th February, 2009. It appears that a separate case in Crime No. 15 of 2009 under Sections 147,353,332,450,436 & 307, IPC r/w Section 3[1] of the Tamilnadu Properties [Prevention of Damages and Loss] Act, 1992, made on the basis of a complaint made by a Sub-Inspector of Police, was forwarded by the State Government and a notification issued in this regard on 23rd February, 2009, on the basis of which the Union of India, from its Department of Personnel and Training issued a notification contained in letter No.228/10/2009 AVD.II dated 28th February, 2009.

    2. We have also noticed that in the said Crime No.15 of 2009, no reference has been made with regard to the Court’s order dated 19th February, 2009 and the facts shown therein, including the time given, which also differ from the information received by the Respondents pursuant to the Court’s order dated 19th February, 2009.

    3. Counter Affidavits have been filed by the First Respondent/Chief Secretary to the Government of Tamilnadu and Fourth Respondent/Commissioner of Police, Chennai. Learned Government Pleader submits that it is a procedural matter, for which a case was to be registered, but such stand can be taken only if the FIR is lodged in terms with the facts recorded by the Court on its Order dated 19th February, 2009.

    4. By order dated 19.02.2009, we directed the Respondents to adhere to their undertaking given before this Court with clear stipulation that on failure, it will be treated to be a violation of the Court’s order. Therefore, prima facie, we are of the view that the Respondents/authorities of the State have violated the Court’s order dated 19th February, 2009, by not registering a case pursuant to the Court’s order dated 19th February, 2009 and asking the CBI to investigate the matter as per Court’s order dated 19th February, 2009. We, accordingly, grant time to the Respondents to file an affidavit in this regard by the next date. It will also be open to the Respondents/State Authorities and Union of India to pass appropriate orders on the basis of the first information received by them at 6.40pm pursuant to the Court’s order dated 19.02.2009. Any other information given subsequently at or about 19.20hours [7.20pm] cannot be treated to be a case registered pursuant to the Court’s order. It will also be open to the CBI to register a case on the basis of the Court’s order dated 19th February, 2009.

    5. In public interest, it would be desirable to implead the Madras Bar Association, Madras High Court Advocates Association, Women Lawyers Association, Law Association and Tamilnadu Advocates Association as profroma respondents, as all of them have represented before the Supreme Court.

    So far as the question as to who ordered to enter the High Court premises is concerned, we are not making any observation as the matter os pending consideration before the Supreme Court.

    Let the case be listed under the same caption on 11th March, 2009 at 2.30p.m.

  49. vskesavan says:

    Press release sent out yesterday, which media ignored
    PRESS RELEASE
    The vandalism and carnage inside the Madras High Court by the police on 19th February 2009, has evoked a rather strange and even a shocking response from certain sections, particularly the middle class civil society. More than 150 lawyers , court staff, litigants and the general public have been injured, many of them grievously but they have been at the receiving end of bitter and sometimes even vituperative attacks. The common rhetoric is that the lawyers are lawless, demand impunity and indulge in crass behaviour and hence deserve the “lathi” treatment.
    Just as there is degeneration in all segments of society there is undoubtedly a degeneration in the judicial system – both the Bar and Bench as well. As a nation we are witness to unruly incidents in Legislatures, the cash for votes scam, the nexus between pharmaceutical companies and doctors, the culpability of chartered accountants in the Satyam scam, the bureaucrats who have been part of various scams too numerous to list here, the complicity of high ranking police officials in the Godhra carnage, not to mention the sell out of the media. If the logic applied to lawyers is extended to all the decadent sections of society then each and every member of such sections needs a resounding thrashing including self flagellation by the police. All would agree that this is no solution to solve the ills of our society.
    One of the key issues posed by the lawyers, the High Court and the Supreme Court alike is who authorised the entry of the armed police into the High Court premises. Reports from the media that when a cognizable offence is committed, the police have every right to enter overlooks the fact that more than 500 armed police entered the court campus when lawyers had resumed work on 19.02.2009 and were attending courts peacefully. Constitutional convention based on separation of powers demands that when any offence is reported to have been committed either within the Legislature or the Courts, the executive has to obtain the consent of the Speaker or the Chief Justice, lest there occurs any inroad into the independence of the constitutional authorities. It may be recalled in the recent Law College incident, the excuse for inaction was that they were awaiting the permission of the Principal of the College
    Another argument justifying the police entry is the police station situated within the precincts. The location of a police station in the premises is beside the point. We are concerned here, not with the presence of a station house master and a writer in the High Court premises but the entry of a posse of more than 500 armed police.
    If police can routinely enter court halls it will have very dangerous implications. The Indian Evidence Act provides for client – lawyer confidentiality. Individuals accused of crimes come to court to surrender in order to avoid police custody. Lawyers often file cases which may not always be to the liking of the powers that be. It is the security of the courts which allows for fearless espousal of their client’s cases by lawyers and discharge of their duties by Judges. The legal immunity granted to Judges for acts done in the discharge of their duties will be rendered meaningless if they are in constant fear of police entering Court Halls under the guise of responding to a breach of law and order or pursuit of accused.
    There is criticism about the demand of lawyers calling for the suspension of the Commissioner of Police and the transfer of the DGP, even criticising the Supreme Court of bias in favour of lawyers. This demand is not only perfectly logical but is the general practice followed in all cases where there is enquiry into grave charges. The Commissioner of Police is today clearly in a position not only to tamper with evidence but to also threaten and silence witnesses. The fact that the Tamil Nadu Police did not register an FIR on all the incidents that occurred on 19/02/2009 indicated by the Madras High Court but registered a second FIR against lawyers as accused and forwarded this to the CBI is a clear pointer to the dangers of having the prime accused at the helm of affairs, something that has been noticed by the High Court, Madras and frowned upon in its order dated 2/03/09. Suspension is not a punishment but merely a procedural requirement to facilitate fair enquiry.
    We will be missing the woods for the trees if the incidents of 19th February 2009 are viewed merely as an issue of clash between lawyers and police settling private scores. There was clearly an assault by the State executive on the Judiciary which has shaken public faith in the judicial system. The majesty of law can never be secured if the State is permitted to vandalise the precincts of the courts and threaten judges, lawyers, staff and litigants alike. No provocation can justify such action. Mixing up the issue of lawyers’ boycott to justify the incidents of 19.02.2009 leads directly to undermining the judiciary in the State.

    The Judiciary is the only institution to protect the citizen from state excesses and the state cannot be permitted to silence the judiciary itself. There cannot be a greater indictment of the Executive than the High Court’s order that Courts cannot function because they have been damaged and destroyed. At stake is the independence and authority of the judiciary under the Constitution as protector of the rights of the common person and we lawyers have a public duty to protect this.

    We as concerned lawyers are protesting with grave concerns to avoid any erosion of the independence of Judiciary.

    R.VAIGAI

    AYYATHURAI

    ANNA MATHEW

    R. RAJARAM

    S.S.VASUDEVAN

    S.DEVIKA

    D.NAGASAILA

    V.SURESH

    SUDHA RAMALINGAM

    T.MOHAN

    R.S.RAVEENDHREN

    J.RAVIKUMAR

    M.REMYA

    S.MEENAKSHI

    M.N.SUMATHY

    K.SHANTHI SAMANDHA

    S.ARUN

  50. Kumaran says:

    After seeing the responses from the lawyers, I am not only surprised but also sorry. These are the lawyers whose profession is to safeguard and uphold law and these are the people who have chosen to defy and destroy law and order. These people are taking us rapidly down to the nadir. Wait for another ten years; we will beat Bihar and UP hndsdown and we will top the list of the most corrupt and violent states. ‘Veliye payirai mendal’. Disgraceful is the only word.
    I have a suggestion. Pay a stipend (or mamool) of Rs 10000 per month to all the erring lawyers for not striking and allowing courts to function. All their objections should vanish. All the late leading advocates of the great Madras Bar should be turning in their graves seeing their comic next generations. Kumaran

  51. vskesavan says:

    Dear Mr.janamejayan, I really appreciate your bravery.

  52. vskesavan says:

    Kumaran, never mind, this is not new to us.

    These people misconstrued our present agitation with the egg throwing incident on Dr.Swamy and the boycott of courts condemning attack on Sri Lankan Tamils. The said things were over on 19.2.09 and we resumed our work on that day. But on the same day the attack on judiciary was made and the current agitation is to save the judiciary. This agitation is not for the lawyers’ personal gain but for the welfare of the people of this state. Not a single agitation by the lawyer’s community is made for their own gain. Without knowing real cause and background of the agitation without knowing that the agitation itself is for the public, the public themselves throwing mud on the entire lawyers’ community. I don’t know how to make these people to understand it.

  53. manimuthu says:

    your reporting is only based on the propoganda circulated by the premeditated police. On 19th Feb, 09,all the advocates attended the court after long period and they were like the children who were going to the school on first day of re-opening. But unfortunately, the police only to take revenge on the advocates community at the orders of the top politicians leashed out a terror. But the top cop, who directed and produced this episode, was not well informed and the policemen made delay in setting fire to the police station as planned. However, when the top cop who gave interview to the media told that the police dispersed the crowd only after the police station was burnt. The incident of lathi charge, damaging vehicles, court halls, brutalising the advocates, public, judges all were done between 2.45 pm. to 4.30 p.m but the station was set fire only after 5.30 p.m. Unfortunately, his orders to burn the station was not carried our properly by his hooligan police. When this was the real case, your blaming the advocates fraternity based on the media report is not justified.

  54. Mr. Kumaran, the media has not brought to you the real facts which happened. And we cannot blame you for your understanding on the issue. If you had noticed , Teachers , Govt Servants, Doctors and other professionals have so far boycotted only for their own rights like pay hike, facilities at work place etc. Whereas it is only the lawyers section which had boycotted for general issues affecting the public at large. And it is also not true that we always indulge in boycotting the court. It is a myth. By boycotting we do not gain anything. Only if we work we can earn. Here we are raising our voice to save the judiciary. The truth is that many advocates and judges have been assualted by police. There is police excessive. It is judiciary which is to safeguard the public and if the judiciary itself is assualted what is the fate of public. ?? If this issue is not taken up seriously, police may attack any part of the public or media without any fear… The lawyers are boycotting only for this reason. This issue has to be seen on a general purview . But media and public are taking this has an opportunity to condemn advocates . I am not here to say that all advocates are buddhas.

  55. pakutharivu says:

    Kumaran you did the right thing. Some vested interests are making baseless allegations calling the lawyers as scoundrels, hooligans and hoodlums in their blogs to provoke them to create some mess to give a scoop news for their press barons. The lawyers’ associations are collecting the necessary evidences so as to prefer criminal complaints against them on defamation charges.

  56. janamejayan says:

    As a matter of curiosity I wish to know how long are the lawyer going to be on strike. I am not sure if they realize that the litigant population is suffering in the melee.

  57. vskesavan says:

    It is another blame game run by media on lawyers. Every year the volume of pendency of cases is piling up drastically. But, no media or Janamejayans are worrying about that. Only if the lawyers go for a boycott, that too for public cause, they started crying on suffering of the litigant public. Wake up the government to fill up the vacancies and constitute more courts to reduce the pendency of cases. The very system of judiciary itself is at the verge of extinct now. If it survives from this melee, then every thing will become normal soon. If you compare the pendancy level because of boycott with unfilled vacancies, the later will be more. I reiterate, we are not agitating for our own gains.

  58. janamejayan says:

    A section of criminal elements are holding both the judicial system and the rest of the lawyer folks who want to carry on with their lives peacefully to ransom. Hijacking a public bus to attend the funeral of a person perhaps set on fire in the name of saving LTTE or setting fire to a police station or hurling rotton eggs and insults against a person who came to the court to ask for justice or invade the court premises while striking in order to taunt and attack the police – all these are flaunted to the public as saving the judiciary and serving their clients. These are the kind of logic employed by these good for nothing but trouble lawyers. May God save the judiciary, the litigants and our beloved country!

  59. vskesavan says:

    Mr.Janamejayan, Just as there is degeneration in all segments of society there is undoubtedly a degeneration in the judicial system – both the Bar and Bench as well. As a nation we are witness to unruly incidents in Legislatures, the cash for votes scam, the nexus between pharmaceutical companies and doctors, the culpability of chartered accountants in the Satyam scam, the bureaucrats who have been part of various scams too numerous to list here, the complicity of high ranking police officials in the Godhra carnage, not to mention the sell out of the media. If the logic applied to lawyers is extended to all the decadent sections of society then each and every member of such sections needs a resounding thrashing including self flagellation by the police. All would agree that this is no solution to solve the ills of our society.

    We will be missing the woods for the trees if the incidents of 19th February 2009 are viewed merely as an issue of clash between lawyers and police settling private scores. There was clearly an assault by the State executive on the Judiciary which has shaken public faith in the judicial system. The majesty of law can never be secured if the State is permitted to vandalise the precincts of the courts and threaten judges, lawyers, staff and litigants alike. No provocation can justify such action. Mixing up the issue of lawyers’ boycott to justify the incidents of 19.02.2009 leads directly to undermining the judiciary in the State.

    The Judiciary is the only institution to protect the citizen from state excesses and the state cannot be permitted to silence the judiciary itself. There cannot be a greater indictment of the Executive than the High Court’s order that Courts cannot function because they have been damaged and destroyed. At stake is the independence and authority of the judiciary under the Constitution as protector of the rights of the common person and we lawyers have a public duty to protect this.

    If the supremacy of the judiciary is not restored you can not get justice to the person for whom you fight all along.

  60. vskesavan says:

    “NEW DELHI: Law Minister’s claim about appointing a record number of judges had a short life span as the Chief Justice of India
    reeled out raw statistics showing a large number of vacancies in judiciary, the main cause of over two crore cases pending before courts across the country”.

    Even for years together the courts left vacant. In those situations the litigants suffer silently and no media would publish it. I agree you can not get any emergency orders while boycott is on. But the law says, when the larger interest is at stake it has to be looked in to.

  61. janamejayan says:

    Sri Kesavan,

    How could you ask everyone to focus only on one incident on which you feel aggrieved and insist on them to ignore everything else? The reason you give is quite self-serving.

    The Supreme Court has prohibited the strike by lawyers even way back in 2003. They are now seized of the matter to get you guys back at the bar. I see no reason why they cannot insist on you that you give up your impeachable trite to strike or lose your gowns under colour of being banned anywhere near a court. It is not impossible to get the vast majority of the lawyers back to work on that gentle exercise of judicial discretion. That should isolate the few arguing endlessly putting out tiresome grievance.

    I say, get a life!

  62. vskesavan says:

    Mr.Janamejayan, You are very comfortably hiding your identity and arguing the case. I don’t know who you are, I don’t know which section of the society you belong to. If you reveal your identity, I can simply ask you to clean up your own house first, before accusing others of irregularity. Because, every section of the society has its own irregularities. I am tired of explaining my case to an Anonymous.Supreme court knew that we are having justified reasons for not attending the court currently and did not force us to resume work even in the hearing on 3.3.2009. As already said I can not wake you up.

  63. janamejayan says:

    Sri Kesavan,

    Did I not tell you that I am just an individual who zealously guard his individuality? I am sorry that there is nothing that I can offer you to connect me with any political outfit which are invariably corrupt in our country. It is indeed unfortunate that I have no such identities for you offer so you can attack me personally apart from calling me a coward which you retracted and later even gave me a certificate of bravery! Our Bhagavat Geetha says: “Sukha Dhukkhe SamE krithvaa laabhaa alaabhow jayaa ajayow” which means ‘carry on your work (karma) whether it is profitable or not, whether it brings you victory or even defeat’. That has been my motto. Why would you have to think that a person cannot have the name Janamejayan. Janamejayan was the great-grand son of the famous Archer Arjuna. He conducted the greatest yagna or sacrifice to root out the poisonous snakes. It is an exalted Hindu name that I proudly carry! Anyway instead of asking me to give you a chance to attack me which I thought was quite an amusing plea on the part of a lawyer, I suggest that you condemn the section of the lawyers who indulged in hooliganism that brought you the bad name and be brave to disassociate yourself from them.

    Unfortunately for you, sir, you have no other identity other than the striking lawyers who went about hijacking buses, setting fire to police stations, hurling abuses and rotten eggs on those who come to the court seeking justice and confronting the police – all these with shifting objectives from support to the inhuman murderers of Tamils themselves called the LTTE to saving the judiciary. When did the people of India give the lawyers of Tamilnadu exclusive rights to do all these? This is what happens when you the lawyers forget that you are there to defend the litigants and eke out a living. You are now confronted by the police, Karunanidhi’s machinations to which none of you can compare for he is evil incarnate and you do confront the judges for they cannot carry on with their work without you attending the court. For them the option is either you get back to work or you be replaced. That is how any business works. So I am imploring with you. How can you afford to have so many enemies in life all at once? Can you carry on like this without consequences? Do you think all the lawyers are with you? Sir, your emotions are having the better of you and you are not seeing the reality and employing the reason. Your objectives are faulty and the friends with whom you carry on the struggle would desert you for everyone is not as resolute as you would like them to be. So you should think in terms of getting back to work and carry on with your work. All the corruptions in society and villains in politics would be fought by the people in their own time, space and opportunity. The lawyers are a small spec in this and they cannot carry it on their slender shoulders. If you do, you will drown yourself in the abyss for you are no match to your adversaries. Above all be brave to admit your mistakes and apologize to the people whom you the lawyers as a community has hurt. That will make you a real MAN!

    Jai Hind!

  64. vskesavan says:

    Plz understand Mr.Janamejayan,

    1.I am not pro or against LTTE.
    2.I am not pro or against ‘racist laywers’ (in your words).
    3. I am not pro or against Brahmins or Hinduthwa or for that matter any other religion.

    Are you clear?

    I don’t want any other identity except that I am a lawyer and a good human being. I am proud to say that I am a striking lawyer for the cause of public interest. I don’t need any certificate from you since you are not the representative of public.

    As a lawyer I am against the attack on judiciary.
    As a good human being I am against the genocide happens in Sri Lanka. That’s all.

    Remove your glasses of color and see my views.

    I am not saying you are coward because you are hiding your identity. I said it because you partly used (first two lines) of my post of Statement given by Justice.V.R.Krishna Iyer against the attack on judiciary. If you have rejected it, that would be a different case. You used first two lines which supported Dr.Swamy as if my view, in the post.
    I have no hesitation to admit the mistakes, if any, of my lawyers’ community,to the public but not with you. Why should I admit them to anonymous persons like you. That’s why I said if I know which section of the society you belong to, I can simply ask you to clean up your own house first, before accusing others’ irregularity. I don’t need to know your identity.

    I have better business then to attack people like you, that too in person. It may be the job of groups/section which ever you belong to.

  65. janamejayan says:

    Sri Kesavan,

    Why are you so obsessed with me and my name? You don’t have to admit anything to anyone if you don’t want to. People do have a right to conceal their guilt and live with it.

    What is my house that you know of to suggest that I clean it up? Look, I still don’t know you as much as you don’t know me. For me, I don’t yearn to know you? Internet is a forum where unknown people exchange views. To tell you the fact I gave you lot of sensible advises just as not to eat more than you can chew. I advised you against colliding with forces that are more powerful than you. Is this not a good advise?

    Anyway these discussions are impersonal. Even you may have a nickname of Kesavan. Does it matter to me. No way! Really sir, I don’t know you and I don’t care to know you. There is no need. I don’t intend to hurt or praise any individual that I do not know. WE ARE ONLY DISCUSSING THE ISSUES. I don’t care if you want to take the identity of a lawyer even though you are not born with it. Tomorrow you may even change your profession, God forbid, if you are disbarred. This is a temporary and unreal identity. That is all I can say.

    Anyway, issue-wise I have given my views not only to you but to all the anonymous readers on the internet. That is the beauty of the internet. Please do visit my blog .It is a treasure trove of info. Thousands of people read and leave comments.

    Thanks and good luck.

  66. vskesavan says:

    Mr.Janamejayan,

    //Do you think all the lawyers are with you? Sir, your emotions are having the better of you and you are not seeing the reality and employing the reason. Your objectives are faulty and the friends with whom you carry on the struggle would desert you for everyone is not as resolute as you would like them to be. So you should think in terms of getting back to work and carry on with your work. All the corruptions in society and villains in politics would be fought by the people in their own time, space and opportunity. The lawyers are a small spec in this and they cannot carry it on their slender shoulders. If you do, you will drown yourself in the abyss for you are no match to your adversaries. Above all be brave to admit your mistakes and apologize to the people whom you the lawyers as a community has hurt. That will make you a real MAN!//

    If you think that I am belonging to the group, which hurled eggs on Dr.Swamy, etc…it is wrong. I have nothing to do with that. This was made clear lots of times earlier.
    You should understand that, I reiterate, //If the supremacy of the judiciary is not restored you can not get justice to the person for whom you fight all along.//,
    namely Dr.Swamy.

    I already told that, I am not belonging to any political alliance.

  67. vskesavan says:

    This will never going to be seen in our biased media…
    just see and think, this may happen to you tomorrow…if the Judiciary is not saved.

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-260962357268675922&hl=en

  68. janamejayan says:

    The video is a testimony to Karunanidhi’s police. He as the home minster and chief minister is

    responsible. Between you and me I was the only one who accused this very source of evil. You

    guys only attacked the police. Eithavan irukka ambai novaanEn?

    Sri Kesavan, Why are you so obsessed with me and my name? You say you don’t want to admit to

    anything. I do not accuse you of any personal involvement for you to admit. It is about the

    lawyers as a whole. Nothing personal.

    What is my house that you know of to suggest that I clean it up? Look, I still don’t know you as

    much as you don’t know me. For me, I don’t yearn to know you? Internet is a forum where unknown

    people exchange views. To tell you the fact I gave you lot of sensible advises just as not to

    eat more than you can chew. I advised you against colliding with forces that are more powerful

    than you. Is this not a good advise?

    Anyway these discussions are impersonal. Even you may have a nickname of Kesavan. Does it

    matter to me? No way! Really sir, I don’t know you and I don’t care to know you. There is no

    need. I don’t intend to hurt or praise any individual that I do not know. WE ARE ONLY

    DISCUSSING THE ISSUES. I don’t care if you want to take the identity of a lawyer even though you

    are not born with it. Tomorrow you may even change your profession, God forbid, if you are

    disbarred. This is a temporary and unreal identity. That is all I can say.

    Anyway, issue-wise I have given my views not only to you but to all the anonymous readers on the

    internet. That is the beauty of the internet. As far as Krishna Iyer is concerned he is a

    communist and I have already explained that my blog is not for communists propaganda. I just

    don’t stand them because they are anti-nationals. If you want to know who I am and what views I

    have please do visit my blog . It is a treasure trove of info.

    Thousands of people read and hundreds of them leave comments.

    Thanks and good luck.

  69. vskesavan says:

    A Lament for democracy
    A letter from a lawyer…

    February 19th was the start of the worst crisis this Bar has seen so far.
    It has also been the start of a phase of never-before-seen unity amongst
    the Bar. Let us face it, it also has shocked us to see the lack of public and media support we have……………………………………………………….

    Yet, the cause we are fighting for is one of the fundamentals that keep a
    democracy vibrant. For those amongst the public who talk of degradation of
    values and “advocates hooliganism”, we ask the Citizenry – and do not
    think ‘Citizenry’ comprises of just the well connected amongst you, who
    can pick up your phones and call a bureaucrat or a political player to
    help you when you are in trouble, but the real ‘Citizenry’, the common man
    who has no bureaucratic or political god-fathers – we ask you to sit back
    and think if any of you have ever been able to walk into a police station
    and come out with your dignity intact; we ask you to think of those times
    you felt helpless when the government of the day wanted to take your
    Marina beach and make it into a government building; we ask you to think
    of those times when your kids or maidservants families have been picked up
    for “questioning” and detained without an arrest for days together; we ask
    you to think of house demolition notices with 24 hours notice; cricket
    matches being held under huge wasteful wattage when your kids do not have
    the electricity to study for her exams; all your hard saved money
    invested in a small one-ground property somewhere which takes the fancy of
    the local politician who sends his men to squat on your property; of women
    visiting their husbands in jail being raped by the custodians – we ask you
    to think of those of us who have worn the black robes to keep asking the
    government questions, to challenge them into positive action, to ensure
    that power never becomes absolute because while power itself corrupts, god
    save us from a situation where absolute power corrupts absolutely.

    This is not an appeal for your sympathy for the cause we are fighting for
    – we can’t blame you for thinking it is “the lawyers cause’ – yes, it is
    difficult to think independently when leading Chennai newspapers actively
    and aggressively followed a “blame the lawyers” strategy. But you must
    know that 6 judges of the Madras High Court were assaulted, clients who
    had come to the High Court campus were beaten up, un-involved and innocent lawyers sitting inside their offices 500 metres away were beaten up, the judicial chambers were treated with contempt, the Acting Chief Justice’s
    calls to the Commissioner of Police were not responded to, women lawyers
    sitting inside the court halls on the second floor of the city courts were
    beaten up, lawyers who went to protect the judges were beaten up – now
    tell me, do you want the judges who decide your matters against the
    government to decide with the fear of punishment by the government? Do you want judges to start fearing the government? And do you want lawyers to meekly submit to all the Affidavits filed by the government in your cases?

    This is the Issue.

    Even the Srikrishna committee report that enquired into the incident categorically finds that the Police action was excessive,
    disproportionate, targeted at the entire community and not just the
    miscreants. The Report says that the Police action is “utterly
    despicable and needs to be roundly condemned”. The Report says “it was as
    if the police force, as a body went beserk… The Police did not spare the
    children’s crèche also from the hail of stones. Luckily however no child
    was injured though it did traumatize some of the children in the crèche
    and the ayah’s attending to them”. For some reason however, the media and
    public opinion choose to read selectively the Report as though the lawyer
    community is at blame.

    Believe me, for those of us used to cracking those ‘lawyer jokes’ let us
    think again before laughing at them. Because on 19th Feb I took a long
    look at my profession and felt a deep sense of pride. I belonged to a noble cause.

    Yes, there have been black sheep – pray, tell me where there have not
    been? Engineers who use substandard material to build bridges that
    collapse, doctors involved in sex rackets and organ-stealing, teachers
    involved in child abuse, bureaucrats who push the files that help people
    siphon off constituency funds, policemen who gangrape and collect hafta,
    bankers who give away public money to the undeserving business and never
    collect it back, chartered accountants who cause investors to lose money
    on a Satyam scam, stock brokers who can ruin families with their scams,
    NGO’s who use the pretence of public work to route in foreign money with
    an agenda; politicians who whip up mass hysteria for votes – tell me,
    where do you not have black sheep and degradation? And yes, we do need to
    clean up our act and set our own house in order, just like most
    professions do.

    Can we therefore condemn the entire class of those professions and beat them up? Now, that has been what has happened – “let us teach these lawyers and judges and the entire legal system a lesson” – with this
    agenda some men in uniform, and ordered by some politician, targeted an
    entire community. And like the Germans watched on while the Holocaust
    happened – are you sitting back and watching?

    Remember, somebody had said – “when they came to get someone down the
    street, I just watched; when they came to get my neighbour, I just
    watched; then they came to get me….”

    Remember Emergency has happened – in this very county – not too long ago.
    Remember democracy requires you to protect your judicial institutions –
    because that is the check and balance that ensures that absolute power
    does not corrupt absolutely.

    JaiHind!

  70. janamejayan says:

    All these talks of corruption and high handedness cannot be solved by crippling the judiciary. These are political issues that have to be solved by the people of the nation replacing the corrupt govt with one that respects Dharma. How can it be solved by the lawyers going on strike? All we know is that the lawyers went on strike in the beginning in support of the LTTE and therafter they have been shifting their demands in the continuing strike. Now we are told that the strike is against corruption in politics. But these lawyers have never condemned Karunanidhi. I wonder why?

    In my opinion there is bunch of Naxalites heading the bar association holding the lawyers to ransom. They have to be arrested and lodged in prison for a very long time.

  71. its a great imagination

  72. pakutharivu says:

    Thursday, March 12, 2009
    வினாசகாலே விபரீத புத்தி
    MASSIVE HUMAN CHAIN AROUND THE HIGH COURT TODAY
    Lawyers from Chennai today took out a massive human chain encircling the 36 acre high court campus symbolising how it was only the lawyer community which protected judges and the court campus targetted for vicious attack by the police on the 19th of February 2009. Though the call for the human chain demonstration was given only yesterday, the massive demonstration belied the state and the version of the pliant section of the media that lawyers had returned to courts.

    The human chain followed on the heels of yesterday’s rally to the Memorial Hall from the High Court campus. Again organised at short notice, hundreds of lawyers demonstrated that they stood united and will never be defeated.

    Mr. M. Karunanidhi, the Chief Minister of Tamil Nadu, who has a history of issuing empty threats of having his M.Ps from Tamil Nadu resign from the Parliament, fasting from the hospital bed etc. has shown no sign of taking action against the errant police officers who have been indicted by even the much maligned (rightly, for the most part) Sri Krishna report. It is clear that he does not want to lose power at the centre and the state and that he needs a partisan police force to assist the party during the Lok Sabha polls.

    But by taking no steps against the police, Mr. Karunanidhi is lending credence to the view that the attack on the lawyers and the police was a intelligence led “Operation Black Coat” operation unleashed by the State to stifle the voice of lawyers and judges and to enslave the state judiciary.

    Whatever his motivation, it is clear that Mr. Karunanidhi has grossly underestimated the power of the lawyer community, and the carnage which he unleashed has cemented various groups and forged a united front among the lawyers.

    It is not as if lawyers resorted to direct non violent action alone. From the 19th of February 2009, lawyers have attempted to obtain legal redress for the constitutional crisis that has enveloped the state. The media and the letter to the editor writing public have hardly scratched the surface of lies to discover the truth, for it is prejudice and hatred that they prefer to truth and stuggle. So be it! History will judge us, not fickle media barons who depend on government largesse in the nature of assignment of land for their recreational sports venture, exoneration from cases and for reasons too varied to go into here in detail.

    Now that lawyers have taken to the streets peacefully and to sensitise the general public about the threat to the body politic from a police force and a political class gone berserk and running amok, the sounds of a death knell being sounded for the present government are growing louder by the minute.

  73. janamejayan says:

    Were they all lawyers or hired rowdies?

    The ball is in the CJ’s court. It is upto him to decide if he wants to run an efficient judiciary or just get his pay check and vegetate.

  74. pakutharivu says:

    Raja, son of DMK minister Veerapandy Arumugam and his hench men entered in to the association of Salem Bar and tried to attack the boycotting lawyers in support of DMK lawyers. Nobody believes biased news reports in cast affiliated paper ‘The Hindu’.

  75. pakutharivu says:

    SC as well as HC are now under the control of respective governments. No justice will be rendered from the above courts.


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